Thursday, August 7, 2008

Intelligent design? Not so intelligent.

I hate the words "intelligent design"- it's a lie, and an affront to all things scientific and/or intelligent. How much intelligence could be in the design of cancer, toothaches, headaches, or organs like the appendix and tonsils that only get infections and cause grief. What about the notoriously fragile human spine, or the pelvis that makes it harder, and more painful for humans to give birth than any other species. And what possible reason could there be for halitosis, acne or flatulence? Tailbones, male nipples, I could go on...

Intelligent Design can't answer any of these questions, evolution and natural selection does.

Creationists are at best ignorant, otherwise they are lying scum of the earth

15 comments:

jewish philosopher said...

What proof is there that someone intelligent designed this blog? After all, it contains so many grammar and spelling errors.

If there is no proof that God exists, there is likewise no proof you exist.

Shaya Getzel said...

OMG! I never thought of that before! There must be a God after all! I'm gonna go do Tshuvah right now, I can't believe nobody ever pointed that out to me before.
See you in Shul.

Why don't you try addressing the points made, instead of making infantile comments.
"Philosopher", Ha! What a joke.

jewish philosopher said...

If there is no proof of God, there is also no proof of anyone you haven't met personally.

Shaya Getzel said...

I don't know any one who has personally met God. Have you?

jewish philosopher said...

I don't know anyone who has personally met you. Maybe you don't exist.

Shaya Getzel said...

I guess you'll just never know, huh?

Sunesu Chinua said...

Philosopher, in the community that shaya grew up in YOU would not be accepted as an Orthodox Jew and would not be given a right to heaven when the Mesiah comes. This said, I am suprised that you are intolerant to others beliefs, this is a blog discussion board and shaya would welcome friendly and informed discussion (Yeshiva style) but, as he has pointed out, and I agree with, it is the wish to have you address the points intelligently rather than take pot shots at him. I can attest for him that you will be in for a good and fun ride if you decide to be a mensch rather than a shmuch.

Joodah said...

"intelligent" does not mean "merciful". There are many intelligent, cruel people in this world.

As for male nipples. i have no answer for you. they confuse me.

Margo said...

I agree with Shaya.
In addition to these questions, I find it interesting that when you confront evolutionists about problems with their theory (please note the word "theory"--this is what the evidence suggests, not some idea superimposed on the evidence, while you twist and crop the evidence to fit), they will usually freely admit that they do not yet have all the answers, and are working to gain a more thorough understanding of your topic.
When you confront an Orthodox Jew/Creationist, however, the answer is typically something along the lines of "Hashem is beyond our understanding" or "We cannot question the omnipotent, omniscient God." In other words, "Yes, it makes no sense. Now shut up, accept it, and blame the illogicality of it on your puny brain. Stop thinking, please."
Of course, there are also the less erudite Jews, such as jewish philosopher, it would seem (judging from his response here), who choose to respond with a personal attack in an effort to dissuade you from pursuing the truth. Instead of focusing on the issue at hand, they focus on any flaws that the questioner may have, or mistakes he has made. I do not understand why this type of response passes as some sort of appropriate answer or thought. Ever.

Shaya Getzel said...

Male nipples confuse you? How about wisdom teeth, or ear muscles?
Check out this for more examples.
http://discovermagazine.com/2004/jun/useless-body-parts

mLrueEHdhcNsoaAMn said...

I'm Shaya's brother, and I can tell you first hand that Shaya went way farther in finding answers then you'll ever go. So if all you want to do is hate, then crawl back in the your cave because nobody here wants to hear you crap.
I Have a suggestion for you, go home, start researching, maybe read a book or two, and when you learn something that has proof and is not something you just thought up, come preach it. Thank You, Have a great day...

mLrueEHdhcNsoaAMn said...

That last message was for the "jewish philosopher"

davidf15x said...

Shaya, I fear you are strongly influenced by the supposedly greener grass on the other side.

I am one of those BT's you wonder about. Jewish history, Jewish tradition, Jewish law, the Jewish message for humanity, the Jewish take on science and creation--all of this makes a whole lot of sense.

On the other hand, evolution without design, randomness, atheism--these things do not seem rational.

I understand part of your frustration with the black hat yeshiva world. I believe it is a big mistake to claim that the universe is no more than 5800 years old. I am appalled at some of the answers given by your former part of our community. This does not impeach the Jewish message or Torah in general, nor does it--as you have aptly said, that the other straw man argument holds.

Jewish tradition and in a couple of cases, God of our Torah is "whoofing it"--daring you to find fault with fundamental truths.

I accept these truths because the whole tradition is compelling as it is for so many Jews today and throughout the generations. We are told it must make sense and it is a lot of effort, we do not take it on faith. I am pleased to converse with you.

Anonymous said...

intelligent design was originally the response of mainstream christian thinkers to early scientific progress, esp in the early 19th c just predarwin. They were looking at creation as a whole, not each and every little thing - which when you think about it was a pretty progressive viewpoint - the appendix exists BECAUSE an intelligence decided that having something useful at earlier stages was good, even though we wouldnt need it later - rather than "appendicitis is punishment for sin" ID as its used today as a critique of darwinism is incorrect - its not the rank stupidity its sometimes portrayed as. A great many brilliant early 19th c naturalists believed in it.

Shaya Getzel said...

I'm talking about ID as it's referred to today.